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Oracle's decision to monetize JVM

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Goddard Jiri
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Hi,   what will be the impact on Scala if Oracle will start to sell "better" JVM and the "worse" will be for free? Anyone knows more on what the differences are going to be?   http://pulse2.com/2010/11/07/oracle-to-deliver-free-and-paid-java-virtual-machines/   Regards, Jiri

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tolsen77
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Re: Oracle's decision to monetize JVM
Isn't the JVM already pretty "feature-complete"? Anyway, I would imagine features within concurrency etc. would become "premium".

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Goddard Jiri <g0dd4rd [at] googlemail [dot] com> wrote:
Hi,   what will be the impact on Scala if Oracle will start to sell "better" JVM and the "worse" will be for free? Anyone knows more on what the differences are going to be?   http://pulse2.com/2010/11/07/oracle-to-deliver-free-and-paid-java-virtual-machines/   Regards, Jiri

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Goddard Jiri
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Re: Oracle's decision to monetize JVM
You're right, it is :) But what I've experienced from Oracle so far has been a cut-back of features in Glassfish application server, for example. It's probably the most pessimistic option, though...   Regards, Jiri

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Trond Olsen <tolsen77 [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Isn't the JVM already pretty "feature-complete"? Anyway, I would imagine features within concurrency etc. would become "premium".

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Goddard Jiri <g0dd4rd [at] googlemail [dot] com> wrote:
Hi,   what will be the impact on Scala if Oracle will start to sell "better" JVM and the "worse" will be for free? Anyone knows more on what the differences are going to be?   http://pulse2.com/2010/11/07/oracle-to-deliver-free-and-paid-java-virtual-machines/   Regards, Jiri

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Alex Repain
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Re: Oracle's decision to monetize JVM
They obviously intended to make some benefits from Java, otherwise why bother buying it. It would be a shame if it was to the depends of the other languages that have become dependant to the JVM.

Alex

2010/11/8 Goddard Jiri <g0dd4rd [at] googlemail [dot] com>
You're right, it is :) But what I've experienced from Oracle so far has been a cut-back of features in Glassfish application server, for example. It's probably the most pessimistic option, though...   Regards, Jiri

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Trond Olsen <tolsen77 [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Isn't the JVM already pretty "feature-complete"? Anyway, I would imagine features within concurrency etc. would become "premium".

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Goddard Jiri <g0dd4rd [at] googlemail [dot] com> wrote:
Hi,   what will be the impact on Scala if Oracle will start to sell "better" JVM and the "worse" will be for free? Anyone knows more on what the differences are going to be?   http://pulse2.com/2010/11/07/oracle-to-deliver-free-and-paid-java-virtual-machines/   Regards, Jiri

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Goddard Jiri
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Re: Oracle's decision to monetize JVM
Well, I hope this was decided because Oracle wants to
a) make passive income by selling OSS
b) get some money from enterprise (because there's money)
 
and it will have minimal impact on most of the "ordinary" users.
 
Jiri

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Repain Alex <alex [dot] repain [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
They obviously intended to make some benefits from Java, otherwise why bother buying it. It would be a shame if it was to the depends of the other languages that have become dependant to the JVM.

Alex

2010/11/8 Goddard Jiri <g0dd4rd [at] googlemail [dot] com>
You're right, it is :) But what I've experienced from Oracle so far has been a cut-back of features in Glassfish application server, for example. It's probably the most pessimistic option, though...   Regards, Jiri

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Trond Olsen <tolsen77 [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Isn't the JVM already pretty "feature-complete"? Anyway, I would imagine features within concurrency etc. would become "premium".

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Goddard Jiri <g0dd4rd [at] googlemail [dot] com> wrote:
Hi,   what will be the impact on Scala if Oracle will start to sell "better" JVM and the "worse" will be for free? Anyone knows more on what the differences are going to be?   http://pulse2.com/2010/11/07/oracle-to-deliver-free-and-paid-java-virtual-machines/   Regards, Jiri

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Jörg W Mittag
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Re: Oracle's decision to monetize JVM

Goddard Jiri wrote:
> what will be the impact on Scala if Oracle will start to sell "better" JVM
> and the "worse" will be for free?

None. Oracle has been selling "premium" JVMs for *years* now, and so
have Azul, Excelsior, IBM and countless others.

Why would doing the *exact same thing* they have *always* done somehow
suddenly have an impact?

jwm

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