Scala Debate

Hi,

wouldn't it be possible to put a sticky post on top of each mailing list and explain which topics should be sent to each mailing list?

Additionally, some rules about the expected behavior when participating on the mailing lists would be helpful, too.

Both topics come up from time to time. Maybe it is not a perfect solution, but it might help a lot in the mean time.

Thanks,

Simon

Just wondering how the different languages in the JVM space are doing. I want Scala to succeed but have become more pessimistic about it recently (due to semantic complexity, but there are other factors such as performance out there), so thought I would ask for pointers to decent language comparisons.
I realize there are no thorough answers, let's keep it polite and try to be as informative as possible. :-)
Thanks,Ken

Hi,

I'm just beginning to learn Scala and following its progress with
enthusiasm. Since binary compatibility appears to be a concern across
releases of Scala I was interested to read Martin mention [1] that
Brian Goetz's 'public defender' methods proposal (and the necessary
JVM changes) comes "tantalizingly close", but not quite there, towards
solving issues with library traits and binary compatibility.

Given that Brian is now releasing drafts of his prototype proposal
[2], can anyone explain if it is likely to go far enough to benefit
Scala or to give a brief overview of what would be needed so that
Scala would get the benefits that Martin mentioned in that InfoQ
interview?

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM, martin odersky wrote:
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> Cay, thanks for the thoughtful suggestions!
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> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Cay Horstmann wrote:
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>> And yes, the operators have gotten a bit out of hand in the collections library. I put them all into a table, and the result wasn't pretty. (The problem isn't the operators, but their inconsistency.) There is a lot to like about the collections library, but it's not perfect. Perhaps it needs to get redone one more time, or perhaps Scaladoc needs to be smarter about giving a more user-centric view.
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> Do you have suggestions regarding inconsistency of operators? Given a long enough deprecation cycle we could do changes if they are necessary.

hi,

recently, my inbox was flooded by lots of and even more mails that contained, from my point of view, unproductive content. i am referring to
* scala is too complex, how to make it more simple, what is complexity
* yammer moving away from scala (which turned out to be wrong)

there was a lot of jumping at everything. please, slow down. if you have a specific idea which you want to discuss, start a new thread. good ideas will go lost in the flood of mails since most people will start skipping many. stay focused. keep the goal in mind. it will make it easier for everyone to follow you.
be respectful. assume the other guy to be as smart as you, he probably is - he just has a different viewpoint. if someone isn't taken seriously, he'll not share his or her ideas.

Oops!  Could this please be moved to scala-user!  I posted to the wrong list by accident.

Someone pointed out to me that the mailing lists have been free of Jovial, fun material lately.  As such, I decided to bring back a few memes to help everyone promote scala at their workplace, or on the interwebs.
Here they are for your enjoyment.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Aleksey Nikiforov <lexn82 [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Jesper Nordenberg <megagurka [at] yahoo [dot] com> wrote:

Aleksey Nikiforov skrev 2011-11-30 21:27: