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A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

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Alex Repain
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Okay, this is not really scala-user related, but it has to be posted somewhere somehow ... Since the change for googlegroups instead of classical mailing lists, a lot of scam is going in my gmail  inbox. I would gently apply filters of some kind, for what they are worth, but it's probably going to throw some scala threads to the trash by mistake. Plus, I never had spam or scam on my account before that, or even now outside the scala googlegroups threads. so I  guess the security epic fail is not my bad.

From other users experience, is this a recurrent problem of googlegroups in general, or is it specific to scala groups ? Is there anything that can be done about it and - not to offense someone possibly in charge, is there actually anybody who could have time to tackle the question ?

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vpatryshev
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
For small groups, it makes sense to introduce moderation on membership. Not sure if it is applicable here, may require a lot of efforts.

Thanks,
-Vlad


On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Alex Repain <alex [dot] repain [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Okay, this is not really scala-user related, but it has to be posted somewhere somehow ... Since the change for googlegroups instead of classical mailing lists, a lot of scam is going in my gmail  inbox. I would gently apply filters of some kind, for what they are worth, but it's probably going to throw some scala threads to the trash by mistake. Plus, I never had spam or scam on my account before that, or even now outside the scala googlegroups threads. so I  guess the security epic fail is not my bad.

From other users experience, is this a recurrent problem of googlegroups in general, or is it specific to scala groups ? Is there anything that can be done about it and - not to offense someone possibly in charge, is there actually anybody who could have time to tackle the question ?

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Ishaaq Chandy
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

I'm subscribed to a number of googlegroups mailing lists and this one seems to be the one with the most spam.

A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the moderation but this duty could be distributed among a handful of people to make the burden lighter.

Ishaaq

On Jun 4, 2011 10:26 AM, "Alex Repain" <alex [dot] repain [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
> Okay, this is not really scala-user related, but it has to be posted
> somewhere somehow ... Since the change for googlegroups instead of classical
> mailing lists, a lot of scam is going in my gmail inbox. I would gently
> apply filters of some kind, for what they are worth, but it's probably going
> to throw some scala threads to the trash by mistake. Plus, I never had spam
> or scam on my account before that, or even now outside the scala
> googlegroups threads. so I guess the security epic fail is not my bad.
>
> From other users experience, is this a recurrent problem of googlegroups in
> general, or is it specific to scala groups ? Is there anything that can be
> done about it and - not to offense someone possibly in charge, is there
> actually anybody who could have time to tackle the question ?
>
> --
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> TECHNICOLOR R&D - intern
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Alex Cruise
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy <ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:

A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the moderation but this duty could be distributed among a handful of  people to make the burden lighter.

FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable new-member moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing effort, I'd be happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.  
Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator" permission which would only allow user and message moderation; the "Manager" permission allows moderation, but also the ability to change group settings. 
-0xe1a
Sean Corfield
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Alex Cruise wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy wrote:
>> A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of course this
>> requires somebody to spend some time doing the moderation but this duty
>> could be distributed among a handful of  people to make the burden lighter.
> FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable new-member
> moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing effort, I'd be happy to
> volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.

Likewise... I moderate a ton of groups so adding one or two more won't
add much to my burden. All the GoogleGroups I run/moderate have "first
post moderation" enabled.

H-star Development
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

if it's just a click, i can do it as well. i spent a lot of time reading
the mails here anyway.

Am 04.06.2011 04:56, schrieb Sean Corfield:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Alex Cruise wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy wrote:
>>> A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of course this
>>> requires somebody to spend some time doing the moderation but this duty
>>> could be distributed among a handful of people to make the burden lighter.
>> FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable new-member
>> moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing effort, I'd be happy to
>> volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.
> Likewise... I moderate a ton of groups so adding one or two more won't
> add much to my burden. All the GoogleGroups I run/moderate have "first
> post moderation" enabled.

Tony Morris 2
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

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On 04/06/11 12:44, Alex Cruise wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy
> wrote:
>
>> A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of
>> course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the
>> moderation but this duty could be distributed among a handful of
>> people to make the burden lighter.
>>
> FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable new-member
> moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing effort, I'd be
> happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.
>
> Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator" permission
> which would only allow user and message moderation; the "Manager"
> permission allows moderation, but also the ability to change group
> settings.
>
> -0xe1a
>
Get pretty annoying innit? I'm happy to do the moderation thing for
first-time-non-spam posters.

We do this moderation for functionaljava and scalaz mailing lists too,
where we will still receive spam mail, but it doesn't get through to
the entire list -- only the person who marks it as spam. I'll take a
few on the chin so that others aren't bombarded as we seem to be.

It's also quite easy and effortless to moderate (I often do it from my
phone, on a train, standing on one leg, with the other eye closed,
upside-down, drinking a beer, with a straw, through my nose).

Guilherme Silveira
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

> Likewise... I moderate a ton of groups so adding one or two more won't
> add much to my burden. All the GoogleGroups I run/moderate have "first
> post moderation" enabled.
Google groups without "first post moderation" = guarantee of spam.

Every google group I am in is nowadays first post moderated.

Regards

Guilherme Silveira
Caelum | Ensino e Inovação
http://www.caelum.com.br/

> Likewise... I moderate a ton of groups so adding one or two more won't
> add much to my burden. All the GoogleGroups I run/moderate have "first
> post moderation" enabled.
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Kevin Wright 2
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
How are we covered for timezones now?
If there's nobody in the UK yet, I'll happily sign up for duty as well.


On 4 June 2011 14:38, Guilherme Silveira <guilherme [dot] silveira [at] caelum [dot] com [dot] br> wrote:
> Likewise... I moderate a ton of groups so adding one or two more won't
> add much to my burden. All the GoogleGroups I run/moderate have "first
> post moderation" enabled.
Google groups without "first post moderation" = guarantee of spam.

Every google group I am in is nowadays first post moderated.

Regards

Guilherme Silveira
Caelum | Ensino e Inovação
http://www.caelum.com.br/



> Likewise... I moderate a ton of groups so adding one or two more won't
> add much to my burden. All the GoogleGroups I run/moderate have "first
> post moderation" enabled.
> --
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>
> "Perfection is the enemy of the good."
> -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)
>



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Emmanuel Taban
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
I am willing to volunteer moderation services as well ... if only to be part of a cabal. :-)

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Alex Cruise <alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy <ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:

A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the moderation but this duty could be distributed among a handful of  people to make the burden lighter.

FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable new-member moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing effort, I'd be happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.  
Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator" permission which would only allow user and message moderation; the "Manager" permission allows moderation, but also the ability to change group settings. 
-0xe1a



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Naftoli Gugenheim
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
Also someone needs to ban spammers that are already group members.


On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Emmanuel Taban <yuguuk [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
I am willing to volunteer moderation services as well ... if only to be part of a cabal. :-)

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Alex Cruise <alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy <ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:

A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the moderation but this duty could be distributed among a handful of  people to make the burden lighter.

FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable new-member moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing effort, I'd be happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.  
Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator" permission which would only allow user and message moderation; the "Manager" permission allows moderation, but also the ability to change group settings. 
-0xe1a



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Antonio Cunei
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address
might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:

http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead

On 05/06/2011 08:08, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
> Also someone needs to ban spammers that are already group members.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Emmanuel Taban > wrote:
>
> I am willing to volunteer moderation services as well ... if only to
> be part of a /cabal/. :-)
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Alex Cruise > wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy > wrote:
>
> A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of
> course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the
> moderation but this duty could be distributed among a
> handful of people to make the burden lighter.
>
> FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable
> new-member moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing
> effort, I'd be happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.
>
> Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator"
> permission which would only allow user and message moderation;
> the "Manager" permission allows moderation, but also the ability
> to change group settings.
>
> -0xe1a
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

Naftoli Gugenheim
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
By the same token, moderation wouldn't suffice.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Antonio Cunei <antonio [dot] cunei [at] epfl [dot] ch> wrote:
For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:

http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead


On 05/06/2011 08:08, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
Also someone needs to ban spammers that are already group members.



On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Emmanuel Taban <yuguuk [at] gmail [dot] com
<mailto:yuguuk [at] gmail [dot] com>> wrote:

   I am willing to volunteer moderation services as well ... if only to
   be part of a /cabal/. :-)


   On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Alex Cruise <alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com
   <mailto:alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com>> wrote:

       On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy <ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com
       <mailto:ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com>> wrote:

           A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of
           course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the
           moderation but this duty could be distributed among a
           handful of  people to make the burden lighter.

       FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable
       new-member moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing
       effort, I'd be happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.

       Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator"
       permission which would only allow user and message moderation;
       the "Manager" permission allows moderation, but also the ability
       to change group settings.

       -0xe1a




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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
Moderation would allow a handful of volunteers to weed out the span for the rest of the list at large.

On 5 June 2011 20:17, Naftoli Gugenheim <naftoligug [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
By the same token, moderation wouldn't suffice.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Antonio Cunei <antonio [dot] cunei [at] epfl [dot] ch> wrote:
For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:

http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead


On 05/06/2011 08:08, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
Also someone needs to ban spammers that are already group members.



On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Emmanuel Taban <yuguuk [at] gmail [dot] com
<mailto:yuguuk [at] gmail [dot] com>> wrote:

   I am willing to volunteer moderation services as well ... if only to
   be part of a /cabal/. :-)


   On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Alex Cruise <alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com
   <mailto:alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com>> wrote:

       On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy <ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com
       <mailto:ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com>> wrote:

           A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of
           course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the
           moderation but this duty could be distributed among a
           handful of  people to make the burden lighter.

       FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable
       new-member moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing
       effort, I'd be happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.

       Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator"
       permission which would only allow user and message moderation;
       the "Manager" permission allows moderation, but also the ability
       to change group settings.

       -0xe1a




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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

Whilst it's possible that a very, very large mailing list with a lot
of traffic would fall foul of such spoofing (because it's worth
doing), I have never seen this occur in any of the groups I'm in
(which have 5,000 or fewer members and up to 100 messages a day).

I don't think it's appropriate to throw the baby out with the
bathwater here - moderation _will_ help this group and we clearly have
plenty of volunteers.

Sean

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
> By the same token, moderation wouldn't suffice.
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Antonio Cunei wrote:
>>
>> For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address
>> might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:
>>
>> http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead

Naftoli Gugenheim
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
You mean, every post would be moderated?

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Kevin Wright <kev [dot] lee [dot] wright [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Moderation would allow a handful of volunteers to weed out the span for the rest of the list at large.

On 5 June 2011 20:17, Naftoli Gugenheim <naftoligug [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
By the same token, moderation wouldn't suffice.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Antonio Cunei <antonio [dot] cunei [at] epfl [dot] ch> wrote:
For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:

http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead


On 05/06/2011 08:08, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
Also someone needs to ban spammers that are already group members.



On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Emmanuel Taban <yuguuk [at] gmail [dot] com
<mailto:yuguuk [at] gmail [dot] com>> wrote:

   I am willing to volunteer moderation services as well ... if only to
   be part of a /cabal/. :-)


   On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Alex Cruise <alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com
   <mailto:alex [at] cluonflux [dot] com>> wrote:

       On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ishaaq Chandy <ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com
       <mailto:ishaaq [at] gmail [dot] com>> wrote:

           A common solution is first-post moderation for new users. Of
           course this requires somebody to spend some time doing the
           moderation but this duty could be distributed among a
           handful of  people to make the burden lighter.

       FWIW, if the list administrator(s) would like to enable
       new-member moderation, but are unwilling to incur the ongoing
       effort, I'd be happy to volunteer to be on a moderation cabal.

       Unfortunately Google Groups doesn't have a "Moderator"
       permission which would only allow user and message moderation;
       the "Manager" permission allows moderation, but also the ability
       to change group settings.

       -0xe1a




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   blog: http://imma.wordpress.com







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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
I also think we should give moderation a try. My preference would be to try something lightweight first, such as first-post user moderation only.

Cheers

 -- Martin

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Sean Corfield <seancorfield [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Whilst it's possible that a very, very large mailing list with a lot
of traffic would fall foul of such spoofing (because it's worth
doing), I have never seen this occur in any of the groups I'm in
(which have 5,000 or fewer members and up to 100 messages a day).

I don't think it's appropriate to throw the baby out with the
bathwater here - moderation _will_ help this group and we clearly have
plenty of volunteers.

Sean

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Naftoli Gugenheim <naftoligug [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
> By the same token, moderation wouldn't suffice.
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Antonio Cunei <antonio [dot] cunei [at] epfl [dot] ch> wrote:
>>
>> For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address
>> might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:
>>
>> http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead



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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
I'm confident that's all that will be required.

On 06/06/11 10:35, martin odersky wrote:
v6iK8cCrNsOdEC9jndVGLMJBVWA [at] mail [dot] gmail [dot] com" type="cite">I also think we should give moderation a try. My preference would be to try something lightweight first, such as first-post user moderation only.

Cheers

 -- Martin

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Sean Corfield <seancorfield [at] gmail [dot] com" rel="nofollow">seancorfield [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Whilst it's possible that a very, very large mailing list with a lot
of traffic would fall foul of such spoofing (because it's worth
doing), I have never seen this occur in any of the groups I'm in
(which have 5,000 or fewer members and up to 100 messages a day).

I don't think it's appropriate to throw the baby out with the
bathwater here - moderation _will_ help this group and we clearly have
plenty of volunteers.

Sean

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Naftoli Gugenheim <naftoligug [at] gmail [dot] com" rel="nofollow">naftoligug [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
> By the same token, moderation wouldn't suffice.
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Antonio Cunei <antonio [dot] cunei [at] epfl [dot] ch" rel="nofollow">antonio [dot] cunei [at] epfl [dot] ch> wrote:
>>
>> For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address
>> might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:
>>
>> http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead



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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

On 6 June 2011 01:35, martin odersky <martin [dot] odersky [at] epfl [dot] ch> wrote:
I also think we should give moderation a try. My preference would be to try something lightweight first, such as first-post user moderation only.

Cheers

 -- Martin
 I second that motion 

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Sean Corfield <seancorfield [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Whilst it's possible that a very, very large mailing list with a lot
of traffic would fall foul of such spoofing (because it's worth
doing), I have never seen this occur in any of the groups I'm in
(which have 5,000 or fewer members and up to 100 messages a day).

I don't think it's appropriate to throw the baby out with the
bathwater here - moderation _will_ help this group and we clearly have
plenty of volunteers.

Sean

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Naftoli Gugenheim <naftoligug [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
> By the same token, moderation wouldn't suffice.
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Antonio Cunei <antonio [dot] cunei [at] epfl [dot] ch> wrote:
>>
>> For the record, according to this post filtering on the sender address
>> might not be a particularly effective solution with Google Groups:
>>
>> http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead



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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

On 06/06/2011 01:06, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
> You mean, every post would be moderated?

The idea expressed at the top of the thread and thorough is to moderate the first post of
every user.
Most spam we saw here is "hit and run". Subscribe to the list with a random account, send
the spam, abandon the account.

Moderating the first post would allow to filter out these messages, and would result in a
low amount of work for the volunteers. At worst, first time users will see some delay
before their message reaches the list.

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Re: Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

Agreed. One some of the groups I'm on, that change alone resolved 99%
of the issues.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Philippe Lhoste wrote:
> On 06/06/2011 01:06, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
>>
>> You mean, every post would be moderated?
>
> The idea expressed at the top of the thread and thorough is to moderate the
> first post of every user.
> Most spam we saw here is "hit and run". Subscribe to the list with a random
> account, send the spam, abandon the account.
>
> Moderating the first post would allow to filter out these messages, and
> would result in a low amount of work for the volunteers. At worst, first
> time users will see some delay before their message reaches the list.
>
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rytz
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Re: Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
OK, all the scala google groups are now first-post-moderated.Moderators are Paul, Iulian, Toni and me. We'll see if this is not enough.
scala-announce is, as previously, moderated for every post.
Cheers: Lukas


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 04:13, Gary Pampara <gpampara [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Agreed. One some of the groups I'm on, that change alone resolved 99%
of the issues.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Philippe Lhoste <PhiLho [at] gmx [dot] net> wrote:
> On 06/06/2011 01:06, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
>>
>> You mean, every post would be moderated?
>
> The idea expressed at the top of the thread and thorough is to moderate the
> first post of every user.
> Most spam we saw here is "hit and run". Subscribe to the list with a random
> account, send the spam, abandon the account.
>
> Moderating the first post would allow to filter out these messages, and
> would result in a low amount of work for the volunteers. At worst, first
> time users will see some delay before their message reaches the list.
>
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Re: Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

On 06/06/11 06:44, Philippe Lhoste wrote:
> On 06/06/2011 01:06, Naftoli Gugenheim wrote:
>> You mean, every post would be moderated?
>
> The idea expressed at the top of the thread and thorough is to moderate the first post of
> every user.
> Most spam we saw here is "hit and run". Subscribe to the list with a random account, send
> the spam, abandon the account.

You know that you cannot rely on the information in the message header of a
mail, right? I could easily send messages to the group as "PhiLho [at] GMX [dot] net"...
I get enough spam which uses my own address as sender...

The real pity is that there was a working solution which happily got shot down
for some bling-bling.

-Martin

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Re: Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Martin S. Weber wrote:
> You know that you cannot rely on the information in the message header of a
> mail, right? I could easily send messages to the group as
> "PhiLho [at] GMX [dot] net"... I get enough spam which uses my own address as sender...

That has not proven to be an issue on any other Google Group to which
I belong or which I moderate. Let's not imagine problems until and
unless we actually encounter them...

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Re: Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

On 06/06/11 15:30, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Martin S. Weber wrote:
>> You know that you cannot rely on the information in the message header of a
>> mail, right? I could easily send messages to the group as
>> "PhiLho [at] GMX [dot] net"... I get enough spam which uses my own address as sender...
>
> That has not proven to be an issue on any other Google Group to which
> I belong or which I moderate. Let's not imagine problems until and
> unless we actually encounter them...

Sure. http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ <-- proven to be a problem
for them. Of course you can always have faith in the future :D

-Martin

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Re: Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Martin S. Weber wrote:
> Sure. http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ <-- proven to be a
> problem for them.

_for them_ yes. A group that has 14x the number of members and 22x the
number of messages compared to scala-user. The Clojure Google Group
has 3x the number of members and 9x the number of messages compared to
scala-user and seems to have no problem with first-post-moderation
(and no problem with spam, either).

Jan Kotek 2
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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
Hi,

I have a few groups in here. This worked for me:

Spammers usually uses robot to find target group in public directory.
So administrators should remove this group from public Directory listing.
It can be done in:

Group settings > Access tab >
Directory listing
List this group in the Google Groups Directory Do not list this group

It should solve most of spam instantly.

Jan

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Alex Repain <alex [dot] repain [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Okay, this is not really scala-user related, but it has to be posted somewhere somehow ... Since the change for googlegroups instead of classical mailing lists, a lot of scam is going in my gmail  inbox. I would gently apply filters of some kind, for what they are worth, but it's probably going to throw some scala threads to the trash by mistake. Plus, I never had spam or scam on my account before that, or even now outside the scala googlegroups threads. so I  guess the security epic fail is not my bad.

From other users experience, is this a recurrent problem of googlegroups in general, or is it specific to scala groups ? Is there anything that can be done about it and - not to offense someone possibly in charge, is there actually anybody who could have time to tackle the question ?

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Re: A lot of spam since GoogleGroups
Thanks, I'll do that.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 04:43, Jan Kotek <kjan80 [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Hi,

I have a few groups in here. This worked for me:

Spammers usually uses robot to find target group in public directory.
So administrators should remove this group from public Directory listing.
It can be done in:

Group settings > Access tab >
Directory listing
List this group in the Google Groups Directory Do not list this group

It should solve most of spam instantly.

Jan

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Alex Repain <alex [dot] repain [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Okay, this is not really scala-user related, but it has to be posted somewhere somehow ... Since the change for googlegroups instead of classical mailing lists, a lot of scam is going in my gmail  inbox. I would gently apply filters of some kind, for what they are worth, but it's probably going to throw some scala threads to the trash by mistake. Plus, I never had spam or scam on my account before that, or even now outside the scala googlegroups threads. so I  guess the security epic fail is not my bad.

From other users experience, is this a recurrent problem of googlegroups in general, or is it specific to scala groups ? Is there anything that can be done about it and - not to offense someone possibly in charge, is there actually anybody who could have time to tackle the question ?

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