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should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do anything (from scala-user)

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Tim P
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Suggest we debate the issue here instead of scala-user

Is an alternative naming going to make things better for newcomers?

I suggested scala-help and advanced. Others have said "no change, the
mix is good", yet others have come up with alternative names There is
no obvious emerging consensus - and who actually gets to decide
anyway?

Chris Marshall
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RE: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any
My vote is 
 - against splitting into advanced and beginner - against having "scala-java"  - for merging scala-language and scala-user

> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:40:05 -0700
> Subject: [scala-debate] should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do anything (from scala-user)
> From: tim [dot] pigden [at] optrak [dot] com
> To: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
>
> Suggest we debate the issue here instead of scala-user
>
> Is an alternative naming going to make things better for newcomers?
>
> I suggested scala-help and advanced. Others have said "no change, the
> mix is good", yet others have come up with alternative names There is
> no obvious emerging consensus - and who actually gets to decide
> anyway?
H-star Development
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any

anyone can set up a forum. anyone can set up a new mailing list. in the end, the community will decide by using whatever they like the most.

adding a forum is a good idea, imho.

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> Datum: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:40:05 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Tim Pigden
> An: scala-debate
> Betreff: [scala-debate] should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do anything (from scala-user)

> Suggest we debate the issue here instead of scala-user
>
> Is an alternative naming going to make things better for newcomers?
>
> I suggested scala-help and advanced. Others have said "no change, the
> mix is good", yet others have come up with alternative names There is
> no obvious emerging consensus - and who actually gets to decide
> anyway?

Erik Engbrecht
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any

Someone already did setup a forum:  http://scala-forum.org/

H-star Development
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any

yes. but it is rarely visited at all. i myself prefer the mailing list because the response times are a lot shorter. if enough peole agree to switch to the forum - then i would, too.

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> Datum: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 04:56:11 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Erik Engbrecht
> An: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
> Betreff: Re: [scala-debate] should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do anything (from scala-user)

> Someone already did setup a forum: http://scala-forum.org/

Tom Switzer
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any
I check my mail on a regular basis, but I won't check a forum on a regular basis. I also often read this list on my phone while waiting for the train or whatnot. Mail is just much more convenient for me.
Now, scala-user is fine. Most mailing lists follow the same pattern (*-user) and I'm subscribed to tons of *-user lists (often times Java related). If someone is coming from Java, then they'll definitely understand the *-user convention.
Of all the lists I'm subscribed to, scala-user is the only that I don't auto-archive (in gmail). This is partly because I find many posts interesting and partly because there really isn't that much traffic.
If anything, scala has too many mailing lists. I think scala-language and debate should be merged until they get the kind of traffic to warrant a split (and scala-advanced is a terrible name; I like debate).
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Haupt <h-star [at] gmx [dot] de> wrote:
yes. but it is rarely visited at all. i myself prefer the mailing list because the response times are a lot shorter. if enough peole agree to switch to the forum - then i would, too.

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> Datum: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 04:56:11 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Erik Engbrecht <erik [dot] engbrecht [at] gmail [dot] com>
> An: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
> Betreff: Re: [scala-debate] should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do anything (from scala-user)

> Someone already did setup a forum:  http://scala-forum.org/

kolotyluk
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any

My vote is to keep the list names the way they are, and to be more clear
about where discussions should take place, and gently remind people when
a discussion is more appropriate for another list.

Cheers, Eric

> > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:40:05 -0700
> > Subject: [scala-debate] should we rename mailing lists, switch to a
> forum or do anything (from scala-user)
> > From: tim [dot] pigden [at] optrak [dot] com
> > To: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
> >
> > Suggest we debate the issue here instead of scala-user
> >
> > Is an alternative naming going to make things better for newcomers?
> >
> > I suggested scala-help and advanced. Others have said "no change, the
> > mix is good", yet others have come up with alternative names There is
> > no obvious emerging consensus - and who actually gets to decide
> > anyway?

Tom Switzer
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any
Actually, by far the most useful change, would be to move scala-user and its description to the top of the list on the mailing list page:
http://www.scala-lang.org/node/199
I have no idea why, by far, the most popular list and the most useful one to your average person is 3rd on that list (below the ambiguous scala-language).


On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Eric Kolotyluk <eric [dot] kolotyluk [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
My vote is to keep the list names the way they are, and to be more clear about where discussions should take place, and gently remind people when a discussion is more appropriate for another list.

Cheers, Eric

> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:40:05 -0700
> Subject: [scala-debate] should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do anything (from scala-user)
> From: tim [dot] pigden [at] optrak [dot] com
> To: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
>
> Suggest we debate the issue here instead of scala-user
>
> Is an alternative naming going to make things better for newcomers?
>
> I suggested scala-help and advanced. Others have said "no change, the
> mix is good", yet others have come up with alternative names There is
> no obvious emerging consensus - and who actually gets to decide
> anyway?

ichoran
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any
+1.  This is the only change I'd make: put scala-user on the top of the list.  (And perhaps merge scala-language and scala-debate.)

The system as it stands now works pretty well, I think; scala-user has a nice mix of trivial questions (mostly with pleasant answers) and tough ones (which can be educational for beginners and experts alike, albeit in somewhat different ways).

StackOverflow is another great resource for questions of all levels, and it can be both searched and updated.

  --Rex

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Tom Switzer <thomas [dot] switzer [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
Actually, by far the most useful change, would be to move scala-user and its description to the top of the list on the mailing list page:
http://www.scala-lang.org/node/199
I have no idea why, by far, the most popular list and the most useful one to your average person is 3rd on that list (below the ambiguous scala-language).


On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Eric Kolotyluk <eric [dot] kolotyluk [at] gmail [dot] com> wrote:
My vote is to keep the list names the way they are, and to be more clear about where discussions should take place, and gently remind people when a discussion is more appropriate for another list.

Cheers, Eric

> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:40:05 -0700
> Subject: [scala-debate] should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do anything (from scala-user)
> From: tim [dot] pigden [at] optrak [dot] com
> To: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
>
> Suggest we debate the issue here instead of scala-user
>
> Is an alternative naming going to make things better for newcomers?
>
> I suggested scala-help and advanced. Others have said "no change, the
> mix is good", yet others have come up with alternative names There is
> no obvious emerging consensus - and who actually gets to decide
> anyway?


odersky
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Rex Kerr wrote:
> +1.  This is the only change I'd make: put scala-user on the top of the
> list.  (And perhaps merge scala-language and scala-debate.)
>
I agree. That's something we can do right now.

extempore
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Re: should we rename mailing lists, switch to a forum or do any

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Rex Kerr wrote:
> (And perhaps merge scala-language and scala-debate.)

Please don't do this. You may as well say "delete scala-language." A
*-debate list is a necessary flypaper to make other lists usable. I
took the hint some people won't take and am not on scala-user, and I
have little interest in -debate, leaving me only -language and
-internals. There's a pretty clear division in my head, whether or
not it's what is intended by the lists, between language and
internals: one is what the spec says, one is what implements the spec.
I prefer to keep both. I'm sure this can all be made clearer (either
to me or to others.)

The outcome I want to avert is scala-internals continuing to
accumulate runoff traffic. I suggest it is an undesirable outcome for
all concerned if I have to skim or stop reading scala-internals the
way I already do the other lists.

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