Let's stop the language bashing, please

lol

No - I am exceedingly good at it because I have been writing code since 1970, and Java is simply one of many languages I know well. As I said, there are tons of people even better at Java than I.

My hope is to become exceedingly good at Scala before my coding career is over, but I personally find Scala a lot more challenging to master than Java.

By the way, I am still apt to use a butter knife instead of a screw driver, especially when it is near by, and appropriate (enough) for the task at hand. On larger projects I am more apt to go dig out the tool box and find the right screw driver for the job. When the project gets large enough I will then use a cordless power drill with a screw tip (and never, never, never a flat-head tip).

Language choice is not only a matter of preference, elegance and power - it is also determined by context. When my context allows me to use Scala more, I probably will use Scala more.

Cheers, Eric

P.S. I apologize to all those code monkeys out there

On 2012-02-16 1:44 PM, Chris Marshall wrote:

COL109-W32156E35AC94F4289FADB08D620 [at] phx [dot] gbl" type="cite"> It's no wonder you're so good at Java; presumably you were learning it whilst everyone else was attending the modesty class?

Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:24:11 -0800
From: eric [dot] kolotyluk [at] gmail [dot] com
To: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
Subject: Re: [scala-debate] Let's stop the language bashing, please

On 2012-02-14 2:13 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:

CAOphgJD_sqdbvZRthOQnMfM_h86ZOY_ccfH7Xh67v7t9ahz7XA [at] mail [dot] gmail [dot] com"> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM, HamsterofDeath <h-star [at] gmx [dot] de" rel="nofollow">h-star [at] gmx [dot] de> wrote:

should i get furious at someone picking java over *random better
language*, i calm myself by thinking that i don't get angry at a monkey
that uses a stone to open a coconut instead of a more efficient tool -
and there really is not that much of a difference ;)

So let me get this straight, Martin calls for some tolerance and respect toward people who use another language than Scala and you agree with him by comparing Java users to monkeys? And I bet you think that the smiley is good enough, that everyone will understand the sarcasm, so it's okay, right?
This is exactly the problem, you probably don't even realize that you have this attitude, much less its impact on the people who surround you.
The bottom line is that the competence and degree of expertise of professionals in this industry has nothing to do with the kind of tools they use. You'll find very knowledgeable people as much as douchebags that use Scala, Java, Perl or assembly language.
--  Cédric

Can we at least bash code monkeys? ;-)

Seriously I do not really think of anyone in this forum as a code monkey as there is rarely anything random about their attempts to write good code, regardless of their favorite language.

Java is still my main programming language and I am exceedingly good at it, and there are tons of people even better at Java than I am, but I have become an even better Java programmer by participating in this forum, so I really appreciate Cédric's words.

Cheers, Eric

2012/2/16 Chris Marshall <oxbow_lakes [at] hotmail [dot] com>

It's no wonder you're so good at Java; presumably you were learning it whilst everyone else was attending the modesty class?

WHAT YA THINK YA BETTER THAN ME ??

Hey, I've seen worse pretentiousness. Besides, he gets the benefit of the doubt ... Someone Java street contest him to prove him wrong :).

Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:24:11 -0800
From: eric [dot] kolotyluk [at] gmail [dot] com
To: scala-debate [at] googlegroups [dot] com
Subject: Re: [scala-debate] Let's stop the language bashing, please

On 2012-02-14 2:13 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM, HamsterofDeath <h-star [at] gmx [dot] de> wrote:

should i get furious at someone picking java over *random better
language*, i calm myself by thinking that i don't get angry at a monkey
that uses a stone to open a coconut instead of a more efficient tool -
and there really is not that much of a difference ;)

So let me get this straight, Martin calls for some tolerance and respect toward people who use another language than Scala and you agree with him by comparing Java users to monkeys? And I bet you think that the smiley is good enough, that everyone will understand the sarcasm, so it's okay, right?
This is exactly the problem, you probably don't even realize that you have this attitude, much less its impact on the people who surround you.
The bottom line is that the competence and degree of expertise of professionals in this industry has nothing to do with the kind of tools they use. You'll find very knowledgeable people as much as douchebags that use Scala, Java, Perl or assembly language.
--  Cédric

Can we at least bash code monkeys? ;-)

Seriously I do not really think of anyone in this forum as a code monkey as there is rarely anything random about their attempts to write good code, regardless of their favorite language.

Java is still my main programming language and I am exceedingly good at it, and there are tons of people even better at Java than I am, but I have become an even better Java programmer by participating in this forum, so I really appreciate Cédric's words.

Cheers, Eric